HISTORY OF THE REIDS OF RINMORE

in GLENBUCHAT and GLENKINDIE

Glenbuchat 

 

The earliest confirmed record I have for my branch of the Reids, is the birth, in Glenbuchat, of William Reid on 5th March 1727.  William was born to a James Reid, unfortunately I have not been able to trace a mother’s name.  Also  to confuse the issue, a William Reid was also born to a Archibald Reid and Elspet Toshach. (these as far as I can tell, are not related)William went on to marry Anna William on 11th August 1747 and father another James Reid, born 30th April 1757.  

James in turn married a Hellen Reid on 1st January 1788 in Glenbucket.  Hellen was the daughter of Thomas Reid and Jean Abel and was born 8th May 1762 in Skene.  James was the first Reid to move from Baltimore Farm in Glenbuchat to Rinmore farm in Glenkindie.

Peter Reid
was born to James and Hellen in 1794 and he married a Jean Reid from the neighbouring Glenkindie farm of Tollafraike in 1833. 

They in turn had Gordon Alexander Reid born in 1842 and he married Jane Gauld Grant also from a neighbouring farm of Ardler, in 1851. 

They had William Gordon Reid in 1873, who went on to marry Elizabeth Nicol from 'The Smiddy' in Muir of Alford in 1904 and they produced my mother, their 5th child, Margaret Grant in 1911.

Reid family crest



 

William and Anna founded, what I consider the start of the family tree as I know it – they were my great, great, great, great grandparents.  We descend thus:

 

 

*William Reid and Anna William (c 1727-1815) great, great, great, great grandparents

*James Reid and Hellen Reid (1757-1843) - great, great, great grandparents

*Peter Reid and Jean Reid (c 1794-1855) -  great, great grandparents

*Gordon Reid and Jane Grant (1842-1923)  - great grandparents

William Reid and Elizabeth Nicol (1873-1960)  - my grandparents

Full details below

 

 

 

Children of William and Anna

William (1st son and eldest child) b 1750  at Baltimore, Glenbuchat - no more information.

Archibald (2nd son) b1753  at Baltimore, Glenbuchat - no further information

John (3rd son) b. 8th June 1755 at Baltimore, Clenbuchat.  Farmed Miltown of Glenbuchat and married Charlotte Lindsay (1773-1836) they went on to have at least four children, one of whom William (1804-1882) gained an M.A. and went on to be minister of the united parishes of Auchindoir and Kearn: he in turn married Elizabeth Mary Scott (1814-1890) and they had 6 children, two of whom are worth mentioning: son Alexander John Forsyth Reid * KCB, MA, LLD (1846-1913) became a Major General in the Indian Army and Hon. Col of the 29th Punjabis., marrying  Alexandra Catherine Dyce Stewart (1863-1928) eldest daughter of Sir David Stewart of Banchory, Devenick and Leggart: they had no children.  The other son being Robert William Reid MD, LLD, FRCS (1851-1939) Professor of Anatomy at Aberdeen University 1889-1925. John died on 5th October 1844 and is buried in the churchyard of the Old Kirk of Glenbuchat.  It is worth mentioning the inscriptions here for both parts of this family. They are inscribed on white marble tablets set into stone and are upright.  As of May 2005 the left hand one in memory of Alexander John Forsyth Reid had the top third broken off and laid beside it. See inscriptions on Graves and kirkyards page.

 

 

 


Miltown of Glenbuchat

 

Jean (1st daughter, 4th child) b 27th March 1756  at Baltimore - no further information

 

JAMES  (4th son, 5th child) b 30th April 1757 at Baltimore - my great, great, great grandfather (further information below)

 

Peter (5th son, 6th child) b 25th February 1760 at Baltimore.  Continued farming at Baltimore. He married Mary Dingual and they had at least 4 children, Peter died 10th August 1808.  Mary survived him by a further 40 years, dying in 1848.

Their son Adam was described as a merchant, clothier and grocer and also lived at Baltimore.  He married twice: First to Isobel Crawford (1816-1844) which produced one daughter Ann b 1840 and secondly to Mary Chree (1829-1889) this poor woman went on to produce a further 12 children)!  Adam and Mary's  5th child another Adam (1859-1933), emigrated in 1884 to the States, he married American Nellie Dodge and their third child was Dr Ada Chree Reid, the pioneering American female doctor.

Peter and some of his family are buried in the same grave in the Old Kirk of Glenbuchat next to that of his brother James and sister-in-law Helen.  It is inscribed on a flat stone on graves and kirkyards page

Adam (6th son, 7th child) b 24th April 1762 at Baltimore - no further information

Anna (2nd daughter, 8th and final child) b 5th August 1764 at Baltimore - no further information

 

 


Baltimore in Glenbuchat

 

 

JAMES REID AND HELLEN REID *

James Reid's birth certificate

James Reid was born to William Reid and Anna William on 30th April 1757 at Baltimore Glenbuchat.   

Hellen Reid
was born to Thomas Reid and Jean Abel from Skene on 8th May 1762.  They marry on 1st January 1788 and go on to have five children, all boys and all recorded as born in Genbucket. 

The eldest child was Harry b 1789-1819, then Archibald b 1791-1792, James b 1793-1862, PETER b 1794 and Gordon b 1797-1823; our branch of the family descends from Peter.   

James Reid dies in 1836 aged 79 and Hellen dies aged 80, I have been able to discern her age from the gravestone, so this would be around 1843

Children of James and Hellen

Harry the eldest son died aged 30 in 1819.

Archibald the 2nd son died at only 7 months in 1792

James the 3rd son married twice, firstly to Mary Glennie (probably one of the Glennie family from Lochrie) on 8.8.1829 in Inveravon and they had three children James b2.9.1830 who died as a child, Jean b 18.8.1833 and Mary b 31.5.1835 who also died as a child.  Mary Glennie herself died c1835/37 and James then married Jean Dawson (b 1799)  a member of the Dawson family from Largue, just up the glen.  They had no children but James's daughter Jean lived with them up to the 1851 census, when she would have been about 19, perhaps she followed many other of the family members and emigrated. James and Jean farmed at Rinmore and later Rinmore Croft, James dying on 13th October 1862 at Rinmore aged 69. His widow Jean died on 5th April 1881 at East Rinmore.

PETER  the 4th son (my great, great grandfather)  see below.

Gordon the youngest died in 1823 aged 26, and had also been a farmer at Rinmore.    

James Hellen, Harry, Archibald and Gordon are buried in the Old Kirk of Glenbuchat they share the same grave, under a flat stone, full details under graves and kirkyards.:   

The gravestone has been very difficult to decipher, we have had to scrape away years of growth, dampen the stone and try our best!

 

 

 

PETER REID AND JEAN REID *  

Peter and Jean's marriage certificate

Peter was born the 4th son of James and Hellen in 1794 and Jean was the eldest daughter of Gordon Reid and Jane MacDonald from  Tollafraike  - a farm about a mile further up Glenkindie. Jean sometimes appears in accounts as Jean and sometimes as Jane, but it is the same person.  Jean and Jane appear to be interchangeable in Scotland at this time.   

They marry on 10th November 1833 and have 6 children. - Peter b 1835-1917, Helen or (Ellen) b 1837. Harry 1839-1859 GORDON ALEXANDER 1842-1923, James b 1845 and Mary Jane b 1849 all recorded as born in Strathdon.   We descend from Gordon Alexander.

Peter farmed East Rinmore all his working life and all their children were born here.

He must have died around 1849/51 as his youngest daughter Mary Jane was born in 1849 and by the time of the 1851 census, Jean was a widow.  Jean died somewhere between the census of 1851 and the death in 1859 of her son Harry, the informant for Harry’s death was her brother Gordon, as Jean was already described as deceased.

I have yet to find Peter and Jane’s grave, but I believe it to be the fallen gravestone adjacent to that of James and Hellen in the Old Kirk of Glenbucket.    

 

Children of Peter and Jean

Peter the eldest son married Isabella McDonald (1834-1904) and continued farming East Rinmore after his father's death.  He and Isabella had seven children - James 1860-1.6.1941, Robert b 1862, Jean or Jane b 1864, Isabella b 1866-25.12.1958), Helen b 1869, Peter b 1873-18.2.02 and Elizabeth b 1878.  Their daughter Isabella married twice - 1) ?? Stephen and 2) Alex Webster, she had two children from her first marriage John and Isabella Stephen.   

Peter and Isabella are buried in the churchyard at Towie in a tall four sided granite faced edifice flanked by two well clipped yew trees along with their daughter Isabella.  Full inscriptions under graves and kirkyards.

Helen or Ellen is the eldest daughter born in 1837, as yet I have no future for her, but am working on it!

Harry (2nd son) died on February 5th 1859 at Rinmore of acute rheumatism sequelae of scarlatine, 3 days (both his parents were already dead). He is buried in the churchyard at Glenbucket and the informant was Gordon Reid of Chapeltown (uncle). This uncle was his mother’s Jean’s brother, not his father Peter’s brother.   

GORDON ALEXANDER (3rd son and 4th child) my great grandfather, see below   

James is the youngest son and was born in 1845, as yet I have no future for him, but am working on it, but he was a witness at the 1870 wedding of his brother Gordon to Jane Grant.

 


East Rinmore
now known as Rinmore Farm























Mary Jane, the youngest child, was born in 1848, she left Rinmore in 1873 and emigrated to the United States.  In the 1880 census for the US, she was living at 'Our Home Hygienic Institute' in North Danville, Livingstone County, New York,  where she was employed as a chamber matron.  Also employed here was one James Bird born in England in 1850, who had arrived in New York as an immigrant in 1871.  They were to marry two year's later in 1882 and have three children. Mary Jane born  February 1883 and Alfred J born August 1889, there was a third child, but by the 1900 census, the child had died and the family were living at 24 Mathews Street, Rochester, Monro County, New York.  By the 1910 census Alfred too had died, but James, Mary Jane and Mary Jane junior were still living there, where James was in real estate and owned his home and daughter Mary Jane was a public school teacher.  This is the last record that I can find on the family. 

It is to James and Mary Jane Bird that my great aunt Georgina (their niece) entered as the address that she was en route to on her arrival at Ellis Island in 1906.

 

 

 

Mary Jane's documentation in USA


1880 USA Federal Census

1900 USA Federal Census

1910 USA Federal Census

 

 

 

GORDON REID AND JANE GRANT *

Gordon Alexander was the 3rd son and 4th child of Peter and Jean and was born on 12th April 1842 at Rinmore Farm and died at Shannoch Farm 10th January 1923.

Jane Gauld Grant
was the eldest child of George Grant and Mary Fyfe and was born 14th December 1850 at Blackmill, Logie Coldstone and died at West Rinmore on 3rd January 1888.

Jane moved with her parents to Ardler Farm in Glenkindie around 1864 and it was here that she met Gordon. They married in 1870 at the manse of the Free Kirk of Glenbuchat, when he was 28 and Jane 20.     

Gordon and Jane's wedding certificate

 

 

 

 


Gordon Reid in 1904, aged 62

Gordon and Jane had 9 children  - WILLIAM GORDON 1873-1960, Mary Jane 1874-1894, James 1875-1910, Helen Ann  1878-1946, Isabella Grant  1880-1944, John Grant b 1882, Margaret Grant b 1883-1968 Alexander Grant 1885-1974, Georgina Grant 1887-1979 We descend from William Gordon.

Jane Gauld Grant was the eldest of 10 children.  Her father George Grant's mother was Jean Gauld (born in 1782 in Tarland and Migvie) and the name was passed on to his eldest child.  

Unfortunately Jane does not enjoy a long life and dies at West Rinmore on 3rd January 1888 when she was only 37.  The death certificate states pyoemia as the cause of death – this is an old word for blood poisoning or septicemia. I have no idea how she contracted this, I had originally thought that her death was brought about as a result of giving birth to her last daughter, but Georgina was born a full 7 months previously.  It states in the death certificate that Jane had been suffering from blood poisoning for 3 days, so we can assume that she fell ill around the last day of 1887.  We shall probably never know what actually happened. 

After her mother’s early death, I assume that Mary Jane takes over and brings up her seven younger siblings, as she is the eldest daughter.  She would have been only 14, but as children left school at that age in those days, it would have been deemed the correct course of action.   

On 25th June 1894 Mary Jane too dies at West Rinmore of acute rheumatic endocarditis (this is , apparently, the effect of rheumatism on the heart) she died even younger than her mother, being only 20.  Poor Mary Jane does not seem to have had much of a life. 

Jane Grant and her daughter Mary Jane are buried in the Old Kirk of Glenbuchat in the same grave, topped by a tall four-sided pink granite edifice, this is situated above the flat stone inscribed to James and Helen Reid and is described in full under graves and kirkyards

Unfortunately death within the Reid family and virtually all others in the glen, figures all too painfully often.

In 1895 Gordon moves his family (with the exception of son James) from West Rinmore to Shannoch Farm on the Breda Estate, Alford, a move of some 15 miles to the east.  

I now think there was only one reason for this drastic move and that was the tragic early death of his beloved eldest daughter.  The land in the glen was very hard to cultivate successfully, especially near the top, the track down to Glenkindie long, narrow and arduous, the houses badly maintained and the conditions high up that bleak glen, very hard for most of the year.  Shannoch Farm, situated within the fertile Howe of Alford within a short walking distance of the school at Gallowhill, three churches, shops and market in Alford must have seemed a much more enticing prospect.  The farmhouse too was a very much larger, substantial dwelling with full height bedrooms upstairs and a large 'L'-shaped steading with chaumer for the farm workers.

 

 

 

Children of Gordon and Jane Reid

Three of Gordon and Jane’s  children -  John, Alexander and Georgina  emigrated to the USA, John in 1905 and the others in 1906, but their elder brother James predated them, by migrating in 1895 to Melbourne, Australia.

 

 

William Gordon Reid (eldest son and first born child)  
Born West Rinmore July 27th 1872, died Aberdeen 26th August 1960. 

(see the Shannoch page for full details)

 

 


William Reid at his wedding in 1904

 

 

Mary Jane (eldest daughter and 2nd child) 
Born 24th October 1873 West Rinmore died there 25th June 1894
of acute rheumatic endocarditis (16 days)..   

 

 
 

James (2nd son and 3rd child) Born 31st December 1875, died 21st October 1910 at Hamley Bridge railway yard, in Melbourne, Australia.

After many months of fruitless searching I think I have now discovered when James left Scotland.  I had previously managed to log his whereabouts from birth until the 1891 census, after that the trail went cold until he died in Melbourne Australia on 21st December 1910 aged 35.

James left West Rinmore in 1895 the same year as the rest of the family, he may have lived temporarily at Shannoch until the date of his departure on 18th October that same year.  He travelled to London and sailed on the SS Orizaba, the ship's final destination was Sydney,  Australia, a voyage lasting 75 days;  but James was contracted to Melbourne. The vessel carried 250 migrants and made calls at Gibraltar, Naples, Ismailia, Colombo, Albany and Adelaide,  dropping off passengers en route, before arriving in Melbourne.  He appears to have travelled with a fellow Scot named John Singer, they are both listed as clerks (the same profession as his brother Alec) and travelled steerage.  I now need to look at the Australian census returns to discover his next step.  Unfortunately James was to come to a sticky end,
apparently he was murdered because of a gambling debt.  His father Gordon would not have approved, but he erected a gravestone in Alford Cemetery to his memory. 

James's documentation

birth certificate

unfortunately I am not able to append James's emigration details at present.

 


SS Orizaba
the ship that took James to Australia

 

 

Helen Ann Grant (2nd daughter and 4th child).  Born 7th July 1878, died 20th March 1946 at Laurelbank, Inverurie.

Born at West Rinmore and educated at Ardler School in Glenkindie.  After the death of her eldest sister Mary Jane in 1894, 'Nell'  took over as housekeeper for the family, I believe she was the last of her siblings to leave home.  Aged 35, she married widower John Watt on 26th July 1913 at the Coffee House in Inverurie.  John was a retired builder considerably older - 33 year's older in fact.  The Minister of the United Free Church of Alford, Gordon Cameron, officiated and two of her siblings were witnesses, namely oldest brother William and Margaret Milne, herself married for just one year. After the wedding they moved into the groom's home - Elm Cottage, North Street, Inverurie. 

My mother did not relish the visits of ‘Aunt Nell’ who had no sense of humour and was very stern and taciturn..  Apparently, the visits were not much liked by her mother Elizabeth Nicol (Nell’s sister-in-law) either, who always had to produce the best china when Aunt Nell dropped in for afternoon tea. 

Nell survived WWII, dying on March 20th 1946 at home in "Laurelbank", Inverurie of myocarditis and a brain haemorrhage.  By this time Nell was a widow and the informant for her death was her brother-in-law Peter Laing.

 


Helen Ann Reid
age 25

Helen's  (Nell) documentation

birth certificate

marriage certificate

death certificate

 

 

 

 

Isabella Grant (3rd daughter and 5th child)  Born 12th May 1880, died 2nd October 1944 at Kepplestone Nursing Home, Aberdeen.

Born at West Rinmore Farm and educated at Ardler School, Isabella was known as Bella within the family. She would have completed her education at Ardler and not transferred to Gallowhill School after the family's move to Shannoch as she was around 15 years of age at the time and school leaving age in those days was 14.

Bella stayed at home until around 1913, when she moved to Inverurie to take up a post as a nurse/governess.  Bella did not marry until she was 40 when she married Peter Laing a master printer aged 50.  Peter gave his address as 11 Market Place, Inverurie on their wedding certificate. Bella appeared  to be living with her sister Nell, prior to her wedding; which was held at the Gordon Arms Hotel in Inverurie. Because of their ages, Bella and Peter had no children.

Mum remembered Bella as different as chalk from cheese to her sister Nell.  . The visits from Aunt Bella were greatly anticipated by her nieces and nephews.   

Bella died on 2nd October 1944 at Kepplestone Nursing Home in
Aberdeen of mycarditis.  She was outlived by her husband Peter Laing and her home before being admitted to the nursing home was still at 11 Market Place in Inverurie.

 


Isabella Grant Reid
age 24

Bella's documentation

birth certificate

marriage certificate

death certificate

 

 

 

 

John Grant (3rd son and 6th child) b 1882  -  still researching date of death.

John was born 14th April 1882 at West Rinmore Farm and educated at Ardler School, he would probably have finished his education at Gallowhill School, being only 13 year's of age at the time of the family's move.

He was a carpenter and joiner by trade and was the first of his siblings to emigrate to the USA.  He left Glasgow in a 2nd cabin on the SS Caledonia out of Glasgow on 9th September 1905 arriving at  Ellis Island, just off the coast of Manhattan.  I have a great deal of admiration for this great uncle of mine; he was only 23 year's old and had lived in a quiet backwater all his life, New York City must have seemed so daunting to him:  He must have felt so alone leaving his close-knit family and everything he had ever known so many thousands of miles behind him and knowing that in all probability he would never return, to start a new life in a land he probably knew very little about.

From here he travelled to Rochester upstate New York to a friend whose name in the ship's manifest looks like James Baird, but is probably James Bird, his fraternal aunt Mary Jane's husband.  The next year when his brother Alexander joined him, he was living at 21 Mathews Street, Rochester.   

In the USA Census for 1930 John is living with his wife Amy Brigham, who was born in New York of English parentage and mother in law Elizabeth at 6511 Auburn Avenue in Detroit City, Wayne County, Michigan.   He married Amy around 1914 , but they did not have any children. He owns his home which is worth $4,500 and is aged 47, his profession is stated as carpenter, contractor, but unfortunately he is also unemployed.  In the present family it is believed that John was wiped out in the building slump of the 1930s and it is thought that he never returned to the land of his birth.

 I have not been able to trace either Amy or John's deaths, but Amy is still alive in 1958, as she is mentioned in a letter from John's sister Georgie to their brother William in Scotland, but I believe that John had already died.

At present, there is an intriguing possibility that John and Amy may have had a son, I have traced a John G Reid born to a John Reid in Detroit City around 1930, Amy would have been about 44 years old, but it is possible. I have to send for the birth certificate to check it out - watch this space..........................

 

 


John Grant Reid
age 21

John's documentation

birth certificate

 1905 emigration
(unfortunately the original manifest will not reproduce)

 1910 USA Federal Census

1930 USA Federal Census

 


SS Caledonia
the ship that took John to the States

 

 

 

Margaret Grant (4th daughter and 7th child)  Born 31st December 1883, died Aberdeen 31st October 1968. 

'Peggy' was born at West Rinmore Farm and partly educated at Ardler School, before finishing her education at Gallowhill School in Breda.

As was the tradition in those days, Peggy lived at home at Shannoch until her marriage. She was employed as a 'clerkess' in a law firm in Aberdeen.  I think she must have been an early commuter,  using the rail link from Alford into the city.  She married William G Milne a motorcar engineer (manager) from 34 Castle Street, Forfar at The Grand Hotel, Aberdeen on 14th December 1912 when she was 28 and William 33. They had no children.  Peggy  became a widow  around WWII and didn’t remarry, dying in 1968 shortly after a fall and  is buried in Aberdeen Cemetery.

 

 


Margaret Grant Reid (Peggy)
age 20

Margaret's documentation

birth certificate

marriage certificate

 

 

Alexander Grant (4th and last son and 8th child) Born 5th August 1885, died 1st July 1974 Colorado, USA

Alec would have attended Ardler School in Glenkindie before the family's move to Shannoch, where he would have finished his education at Gallowhill School.  Alex emigrated to the USA in 1906 where on the ship's manifest he is listed as a clerk. I remember his beautiful copperplate handwriting in his letters to my mother.

He sailed on the SS Ethiopia out of Glasgow in a 2nd cabin, on April 28th, arriving on 11th May 1906 again to Ellis Island en route to his brother John now living at 21 Mathews Street, Rochester, upstate New York.  He was to become a civil servant in the USA. 

He married Nora, I am not sure of the surname, but it may have been Russell, who was also Scottish and came over in the same year (wonder if they met on the ship)?? and when we knew him lived in Denver, Colorado. ‘Uncle Alec’ returned to the UK on a few occasions, never missing out on visiting any of his nieces or nephews.  In his 80s, he intrepidly flew back and forth on many occasions between the States and the UK, visiting his niece Margaret and family in London, before embarking on a train to Lincolnshire to visit his niece Bessie and thence up to Aberdeen, where he visited his sister Peggy, nephews Gordon, James, John and Ronald and niece Bunty and their families. 

In the USA Census for 1930, Alec and Nora are living in Columbia Heights, Jefferson County, Colorado, they are both 44 years of age and have been married for 18 years, therefore marrying in 1912. Their home is worth $4,000, but no occupation is listed. 

A son was born to them on 28th September 1913 and they named him Gordon Russell Reid, after Alec's father, but sadly the baby did not live long, I believe he died before his first birthday, unfortunately they had no more children.

Alexander died on the 1st July 1974.   

I remember Uncle Alec well, he was a genuinely 'Christian' gentleman who always made us say grace before a meal, even when we were dining in a hotel - as a teenager I found this embarrassing, how shallow that seems now.  He had a fascinating accent, as he never lost his soft Scottish brogue, but it was overlaid with an American drawl.

Alec with his wife Nora in Colorado - 1925

 



Alec on a trip to Aberdeen c1963 with sister Peggy (above) and niece Melba Reid (below)

Alexander's documentation

birth certificate

emigration 1906
(unfortunately the original manifest will not reproduce)

1920 USA Federal Census

1930 USA Federal Census


SS Ethiopia
the ship that took Alec to the States

 

 

Georgina Grant (youngest and 9th child) Born 7th June1887 in Glenkindie died January 1979 in Anaheim, Orange County, California, USA.

Georgina was the last of the siblings to travel to the USA. She sailed out of Glasgow on the SS Columbia, in a 2nd cabin, on 22nd September arriving in Ellis Island, New York on 30th September 1906 to join her uncle James Bird at 24 Mathews Street in Rochester, upstate New York.  There is more information on Georgina in the ship's manifest than the others - it states that she is 5ft 2½,  with a fair complexion, brown hair and blue eyes. Also she paid for her own ticket and had more than $50 in money on her. In addition she was not an anarchist or polygamist! 

I cannot find Georgie in the 1910 USA Federal Census,  but in 1912 she married Johnston Walter Day Denyes, a Canadian by birth.  Walter was born in Lennox and Addington County, Ontario on 30 October 1882 to Harvey Denyes and Mary Jane Johnston.   In 1917 Walter was called up to fight for his adopted country and gave his occupation as an electrician and an address  - 272 Hazelwood Terrace, Rochester.   He was of medium height and build and had blue eyes and brown hair and Georgina is listed as his next of kin.  

In the USA Federal Census for 1920,  Walter has survived the war and they are still at the same address in Rochester, he is now 37 and Georgie 32, they are listed as both having arrived in the US in 1906, Walter becoming a naturalized citizen in 1919.. They had two boarders lodging with them and did not have any children.

I have managed to glean a little more information on Georgina recently, via the American website - Ancestry.com.  Georgina sailed to the UK on a visit in 1921 as there is a record of her return to the States on 21st August of that year.   I am assuming this was a visit to her father and siblings and was probably the last time she was to see her father at least, as he was to die two year's later. On the ship's manifest (SS Cameronia out of Glasgow on 13th August) it is noted that she became a naturalized US citizen at the Superior Court in Rochester NY in 1912.  Walter is listed as her next of kin and by now they are living at 605 Polk Street, Gary, Indiana. I would like to know why the move from Rochester NY to Gary Indiana.  In the absence of any alternative information, I am going to assume that Gary offered more opportunities to the couple, both work and lifestyle-wise.   

Georgie is a widow by 1929, this information has been confirmed after my last trip to the States, where I have been able to trace an entry in the Gary Indiana City Directory for 1929, she is living at 605 Tyler Street.

Finally, after a great deal of research, I have found Georgie in the 1930 USA Federal Census, she has remarried to Bernard Weber they are still living in Gary (Calumet Township) with Bernard's 19 year old son Herbert.  I believe that Bernard, although born in Michigan USA, was from a German background and the name was originally Waber. Bernard is listed as aged 50 and a railway superintendent. He was actually the Superintendent of Transportation for Gary Railways.

Bernard, known as Ben, died on 1st November 1958 leaving Georgie a widow yet again.  She wrote a very poignant letter to her oldest brother, my grandfather William after the event (letter reproduced right and transcribed below) in which she empathises with him as he too lost his wife of 54 years in the same year. Georgie has now acquired a large family, by marriage, as Ben leaves two sons, a daughter, four grandchildren and three great-grandchildren. The eldest son Herbert also lived in Gary, second son John in Hammond and daughter Aline (Hankinson) in San Francisco.

I believe Georgie remained at 605 Tyler Street in Gary until around the middle of the 1970s, when probably due to ailing health, she moves to Anaheim California, I guess this is where Ben's daughter Aline now resides. Georgie dies aged 91, in January 1979, the last survivor of her generation.


GEORGIE’S LETTER

 Nov, 7th/58

 My Dear Willie

             Just a line to let you know Ben passed away Nov 1st at 11 am.  He has been ailing for 2 yrs, 2 broken legs and the shock of the 2nd one affected his heart.

             He has been in a wheel chair since the 4 weeks in bed with the last broken leg.  He went very sudden at the last, had a stroke and fell over side of his chair, he could speak and said Georgie get the Dr, I’m awfull sick.  He failed every day a little the last week he was in a ‘semi coma’.  How are you getting along without Bessie I know you are lonely.  Amy or Alick didn’t come as Amy just got home from Rochester N.Y.   She was too tired to make the trip.  I phoned Alick and her, and Alick’s wife has had strokes and been in a wheel chair, Alick said I will come if you need me but his family were with me and took me to take care of everything.  I am very tired and need to rest.  My Dr and his wife came and took me out yesterday to see some new additions to the Valparaiso University , and for dinner, I have very nice neighbours and they took care of the lunch I had 14 I asked to come back to the house.  We are all old and tired, the young folks are the new generation.  Ben would of been 79 had be lived to 10th Dec, I will be 72 in June.

The Lord is my strength, and I laid all my burdens at His feet He cares for me.  May He be very real and near to you these lonely days, with Him we are never alone.  Remember me to all the family

With love sister Georgie.

 

 

 

 


Georgina Grant Reid
age 16

 

Georgina's documentation

birth certificate

emigration 1906
(unfortunately the original manifest will not reproduce)

J Walter Denyes WWI registration card

1921 return passage to the US

1920 USA Federal Census

1930 USA Federal Census


SS Columbia
the ship that took Georgie to the States

 

 

 

 

Of the 9 children born to Gordon and Jane, William (my grandfather) was the only sibling to produce any children that lived beyond childhood.

Alec and Nora had a son, Gordon Russell, born in 1913, but he unfortunately did not reach his 1st birthday.

I have researched his other siblings both in the UK and in the US and can trace no other offspring. 

In the case of  Bella and Nellie, there is good reason - Bella did not marry until she was 40 and Nellie married a widower considerably older, when she was 35, who already had children. 

Another two died fairly young, Mary-Jane at only 20 and James 35  - both unmarried.

That leaves a further three viz.  John, Peggy and Georgie, all of whom married comparatively young, so why no children?

It is easy to make the assumption that losing their mother, closely followed by their eldest sister, who became a surrogate, when they were so young and impressionable, persuaded them that child rearing was a hardship and drudgery not to be endured.  Life at Rinmore was extremely hard with many privations and the grinding slog of everyday life just to survive was hard enough without bringing more children into the world.

There are, of course, many more reasons for no progeny.  In Peggy's case, I believe her to have been a career woman first and foremost. Georgie and John emigrated to the States, maybe that had some bearing on their decision, or of course, perhaps there was no choice in the matter - we shall probably never know.

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NB - at present (early 2009) there is the intriguing possibility that John and his wife Amy may have had a son, born around 1930.  I am in the process of checking records to confirm whether or not this is true.

 

 

 

For the next generation of Reids - William Gordon Reid and Elizabeth Nicol - see Shannoch Farm

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